Msg Base: AREA 5 - ASK FATHER CIN ECHO AMDG Msg No: 188. Wed 11-13-91 23:42 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Father Mateo To: Paul Meiners Subject: Mary: Perpetual Virginity ³ ³ Anyhow, Matthew definitely refers to "his brothers". My question is this, ³ if Jesus had blood brothers, was Mary their mother? Did Joseph have ³ another wife? I am confused over this issue, in light of the Perpetual ³ Virginity of Mary. Please help me with this issue. ³ ³ Regards, ³ Paul Dear Paul, With regard to Mary's virginity, it is of Catholic faith, declared by the 5th Ecumenical Council (A.D. 553) that she was virgin all her life and had no other children. Mary had entered into a unique relationship with God in becoming Mother of the Second Person of the Trinity and giving birth to Jesus Christ. After that, ordinary marital relations and the bearing of other children would somehow put a man on a par with God in her life, and other sons and daughters on the same level in that family with the Savior of the World. Therefore, Mary's lifelong virginity is not only a matter of our Catholic Faith, but is also eminently reasonable. Scripture is not decisive in this matter without the testimony of Tradition. The Church is the "pillar and ground of truth", as St. Paul calls her, and she always guides herself by both these sources of God's revelation. Protestants look to the Bible and the Bible alone. We don't, and Protestants should really get used to the fact that Catholics are Catholics. The Church wrote the New Testament, so she feels competent to interpret it, and that interpretation involves using Christian tradition. In the first three centuries, Mary's perpetual virginity was certainly up for theological discussion. The Gnostics, Docetists and others who denied Christ's divinity extended their denial to this doctrine too. Catholic writers like St. Irenaeus, St. Clement of Alexandria, and St. Gregory of Nyssa ably explained the traditional doctrine which we hold today. In this period, and still more in the fourth century, 'Ever-virgin' or simply 'Virgin' became Mary's popular title. This could not have happened unless everyone was perfectly sure that her virginity was no mere episode in her life. The Virgin Mother of God was Mother forever. No less was she Virgin forever. So we prayed and so we believed in those early days. And so we still believe and pray today. In the fourth century, also, we have the learned and pastoral testimony of St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. Peter Chrysologus and St. Leo the Great. The doctrine was solemnly defined in general councils in the years 553 and 640. There was then nothing but unanimity until the advent of the Protestants in the 16th century. There is also a consistent liturgical witness to the doctrine, shared by both Catholics and Orthodox. Protestants usually ignore Orthodox witness in Marian theology, but in fact East and West are joined in one confession of Mary's perpetual Virginity, a truth quietly shared in peace until the emergence of Protestantism. I will try to answer you question about Jesus's brothers and sisters in a separate message. Sincerely in Christ, Father Mateo ##MMR 2.38á. !link PM 10-30-91 22:17 Msg Base: AREA 5 - ASK FATHER CIN ECHO AMDG Msg No: 189. Wed 11-13-91 23:47 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Father Mateo To: Paul Meiners Subject: Jesus's Brothers and Sisters ÚÄ ³ Secondly, I have read many mentions in the Gospel books of the brothers of ³ Jesus. In fact, there is one story told where Mary and brothers of Jesus ³ come to the place where Jesus is teaching, and Jesus continues his ³ teaching. I may have this a bit wrong, I am giving it from memory, but I ³ wondered upon reading this passage, if it was correct. Did the word ³ "brother" mean brother in a figurative sense? How could Jesus have had ³ blood brothers? ³ Regards, ³ Paul ÀÄ[PM=>FM] Dear Paul, If Mary had no other children than Jesus, to whom does the Scripture refer when it speaks of the brothers and sisters of the Lord (Matt. 13:55-56, Mark 6:3)? These are near relations, but not half-brothers and half sisters of Jesus. For, Item: no Bible text asserts that these people were children of Mary and Joseph Item: the Hebrew word ACHIM, which is commonly translated 'brethren' (or 'brothers and sister') has several other meanings than 'children of the same parents'. For example, Item: at times a relative (Gen. 12:5, 13:8, 29:12; Num. 8:26); Item: at times a person of the same race or from the same native city (Gen. 9:25; Num. 20:14); Item: at times a friend (2 Sam. 1:26; 1st Kgs 9:13). The words translated "brother" and "sister" are, in Greek, members of the ADELPH- family of cognates. These words are used in the Koine Dialect (the Greek of the Septuagint and the New Testament) to mean: brother/sister, relative/kinfolk, related/associated/cognate, and several other similar notions. The language used in Matt. 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31-32, 6:3; Luke 8:19-20; John 2:12, 7:3-5; Acts 1:14; 1st Cor. 9:5, and Gal. 1:19 does not prove the existence of Jesus' siblings. The ADELPH- words cannot support the strain of such a violent departure from the faith of the Church. Happily, Matthew and Mark give us the names of the men: James and Joseph and Simon and Jude. Unfortunately their sisters are not named. But the first two, James and Joseph, are sons of Mary's sister, the wife of Cleophas, as John's gospel tells us (19:25). They are relatives of Jesus, called his 'brothers' by the conventions of the language they spoke. Presumably the others are no more closely related to Jesus than were James and Joseph. In summary: nothing in Scripture contradicts Mary's perpetual virginity. Mary and Joseph observed perfect virginity within their marriage. In the files of this network we have two articles on this subject, which you can download: 1) Karl Keating's BRETHREN OF THE LORD (ANSWER15.ASC in CATHOLIC ANSWERS directory), and 2) Father Mateo's OUR LADY'S LIFELONG VIRGINITY: SOME OBSERVATIONS (MATEO.ZIP in USERS directory). We Catholics are of the unshakeable faith that marriage is a sacrament of Christ; that marriage is the closest and noblest union of which human beings are capable of among themselves; that Christ confirmed the sanctity of marriage by making it completely shatter-proof (Matt. 19:4-9), and St. Paul made the marriage union the symbol of the union of Christ with his people, the Church (Ephesians 5:21-32). But the Virginity of our Blessed Mother and Saint Joseph within their marriage delicately affirms the primacy of the spiritual in all our human concerns. And these two servants of God thus become models not only for the married people, but also for those consecrated to lifelong virginity in the Lord's service, a consecration proclaimed by Jesus (Matthew 19:10-12) and echoed by Saint Paul (1 Cor. 7:25-38). Thank you for your questions, Paul. I hope you will continue to use our information service. Sincerely in Christ Father Mateo