Msg Base: AREA 5 - ASK FATHER CIN ECHO AMDG Msg No: 177. Wed 11-06-91 23:48 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) (MAILED) From: Father Mateo To: Chris Mccarron Subject: Apologetics ³ Being a Catholic all of my life, I was very excited to find out about ³ Catholic boards, and this is my first time on here. Right now, I am ³ distressed to see Catholicism and Christianity get such a HORRIBLE rap on ³ the boards here. There are young people that are impressionable to ³ atheists here...so much, that I have not found ANY real arguments for the ³ existence of God and for Catholicism. Right now, I am having the debate of ³ my lifetime (albeit a week old) with the help of my intellegent dad and ³ Pre-med brother with users regarding proof that God exists. The leading ³ atheist has a group of young people that eat up whatever he says, so it is ³ hard, but now I have gotten people's attention. I have used Aristotle's ³ contention of Cause and Effect, begging a first cause, and am about to ³ present design and order and miracles. These people are really into ³ "Scientism"...and are incensed that I am stating that GOD made Science. ³ So...I was wondering if you had any words or references for me regarding ³ these discussions...I live in Los Angeles, CA, BTW. I am just starved for ³ some guidance on this. Dear Chris, Stanley L. Jaki is a philosopher of science of impeccable credentials, respected by non-Catholic and Catholic scholars and scientists alike. Here are some of his titles that will help prepare you to converse with sceptical science buffs: 1. The Savior of Science $10.95 + $3.00 PH. 2. Cosmos and Creator $9.95 + $3.00 PH. (These two from Trinity Communications, P.O. Box 3610 Manassas, VA 22110, Telephone free: 1-800-247-9079) 3. Road of Science and Ways to God 0-226-39145-0, P897 $17.00 + $3.00 PH (U. of Chicago Press, 11030 So. Langley Ave. Chicago, IL 60628) Telephone free: 1-800-621-2736) 4. Angels, Apes, and Men. paper, $4.95 + $3.00, ISBN 0-89385-017-9 Open Court Publishing Company, 315 - 5th Street Peru, IL 61354, Telephone free: 1-800-435-6850 He has other books, too. Consult Books in Print at your library or large bookstore. Other useful titles: 1. Paul Haffner. Creation and Scientific Creativity. $8.95 + $2.00. 2. George Rutler. Christ and Reason. $10.95 + $2.00. 3. Jaki, Stanley. Virgin Birth and Birth of Science, $2.95 + $2.00 4. Jaki, Stanley. Miracles and Physics. $7.95 + $2.00. 5. Bioethics and the Limits of Science. by Sean O'Reilly. $4.95 + $2.00. (1-5) Christendom Press. 2101 Shenandoah Shores Road. Front Royal, VA 22630-9989 6. Bowker, John. Is anybody out there? $12.95 + $2.00 PH 7. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae. $78. +7.90 PH Concise Translation (ed. T. McDermott). ISBN 0-87061-170-4. (6-7) Christian Classics. 73 Main Street, P.O. Box 30 Westminster, MD 21157. I hope these help. Let me know if you need books, tapes or other topics. Sincerely in Christ, Fr. Mateo