Msg Base: AREA 3 - ASK FATHER (AMDG) Msg No: 188. Sun 12-13-92 4:13 (NO KILL) From: Father Mateo To: Joan Stromberg Subject: Justification by Faith JS|Dear Father, | I recently had a discussion with my sister, an ex-Catholic who is now an |evangelical Christian, about the Bible's support of "Justification by |Faith Rather than by Works." Of course, she quoted Luther's favorite book, | Galatians. I countered with the context Galatians was written and that |the works referred to the Law, the Jewish Torah and that many Jews were |telling the Galatians that they must become Jews and follow the Law before |becoming Christians. She said that it was a matter of interpretation. So |I then pointed out the book of James where good works are paramount to |salvation as well as the story of the sheep and goats in Matthew. Of |cousre, I learned all this from Karl Keating's book, Catholicism and |Fundementalism. She countered with something that I have not been able to |refute, at least not to her satisfaction. She says that in Revelation, |there are two judgements and that the first one will be who is saved by |faith and the second one will be at the end of the world and that those |who are saved will then be judged by their works and given different |degrees of happiness in heaven. Of course, I think this is just a matter |of interpretation, but I was unsure of what the Chruch teaches about these |two judgements. Could you help? | God bless you for your work and the series in This Rock is wonderful. Dear Joan, Thank God for your patience and zeal in talking to your sister. More than anything else, you will need prayer and then more prayer. Then you will need to know more and more about the Bible, and your message tells me that you are striving for more of that saving knowledge. Hurling Bible texts at each other will prove to be of limited value for either of you. God's revelation is a seamless robe, and texts from one book may be used to illumine texts from another book, but texts do not cancel out other texts. To cling to one's favorite texts to the exclusion of all other considerations is dishonest. It does not lead to salvation. It is also dishonest to pooh-pooh an uncomfortable text by saying, "It's a matter of interpretation." That is not to say that it is always easy to know what the sacred writers intended. But the difficulties are challenges to get busy and find out the *correct* interpretation. But God knows our time is limited and so are our talents. And so in a matter of such great importance as our eternal salvation, He has given us the Church. Ask your sister, "What is the pillar and foundation of Truth?" The odds are very long that she'll say "Why, the Bible, of course!" Then lead her to 1st Timothy 3:15. Without the Church, the bare Bible is corpse for dissection. It engenders squabbles and produces a multitude of denominations. These are not the Body of Christ (Col. 1:24). To grapple with your questions: Revelation does not and cannot cancel out James. James teaches that faith without works is dead (2:17) and a delusion (1:22). Such faith cannot save, for the devils in Hell have faith and are not saved (2:19). Paul in Galatians says that what counts is "faith *working* through love" (5:6). Furthermore, faith itself is a human act and therefore a work. We believe under the impulse of God's grace, it is true, and so all the glory of faith belongs to God, nevertheless it *is* our action. I would like to study the two judgements of Revelation to see to what extent I can agree with your sister. To do this I must have the precise chapter-verse references. Will you please send them? Sincerely in Christ, Father Mateo * OLX 2.1 TD * Cry out with joy and gladness; for among you is the great and Holy One of Israel.