Msg Base: AREA 5 - ASK FATHER CIN ECHO AMDG Msg No: 321. Tue 6-30-92 11:14 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Father Mateo To: Gayle Zickefoose Subject: Apostolic Succession ÚÄ ³ FM>Dear Gayle, ³ ³ FM>Catholic doctrine and practice is that only bishops can ordain ³ FM>bishops. This principle governed the choice of St. Matthias to take ³ FM>Judas's place, as it governed Paul in his choice of Timothy and ³ FM>Titus, and so of all the rest. ³ ³ FM>St. Irenaeus (died after A.D. 190) wrote: "We are able to count up ³ FM>those who were appointed bishops by the Apostles, and to show their ³ FM>successors to our own time.... But since it would be very long ... ³ FM>to count up the successions in all the churches, we ... (point ³ FM>out) the tradition derived from the Apostles of the greatest, most ³ FM>ancient, and universally known church (i.e. the church of Rome), ³ FM>founded and established by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and ³ FM>Paul, and also the faith declared to men which through the succession ³ FM>of bishops comes down to our times. For with this Church on account ³ FM>of its more powerful leadership, every church, that is the faithful ³ FM>who are from everywhere, must needs agree; since in it that tradition ³ FM>which is from the Apostles has always been preserved by those who are ³ FM>from everywhere." ³ ³ FM> This quote is from Irenaeus's book "ADVERSUS HAERESES". His ³ FM>concern here clearly is twofold.: 1) apostolic succession of bishops; ³ FM> 2) unity of faith among all ³ FM>churches. Every church traces its episcopal lineage back to the ³ FM>apostles--it doesn't matter which apostle. But for convenience's ³ FM>sake, he says, look to the church of Rome, founded by Peter and ³ FM>Paul, and to the faith held by that church. ³ ³ FM> Sincerely in Christ, ³ FM> Father Mateo ³ ³ Do I correctly surmise that Apostolic Succession and it's associated ³ validity may be traced to other Than St.Peter & St.Paul?............. ³ --- ÀÄ[GZ=>FM] Dear Gayle, Please NB my last message: "Every church traces its lineage back to the apostles -- it doesn't matter which apostle." This is established in the cases of Matthias, Timothy, and Titus. Irenaeus declares so in some detail. Sincerely in Christ, Father Mateo