Msg Base: AREA 5 - ASK FATHER CIN ECHO AMDG Msg No: 288. Wed 4-22-92 22:02 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Father Mateo To: Bob Whelton Subject: Grace +- | My sister asked me this question: In Old Testament times before Christ, | who in the Godhead was responsible for the Grace the Jews received? I told | her that I believed after the Fall and before Christ there was no | Sanctifying Grace ( except for Mary), but God did other forms of Grace and | this would be conveyed by the Holy Spirit. She had been told Grace in Old | Testament times was from God the Father. What is the right answer and why? +-[BW=>FM] Dear Bob and Bob's Sister, All action of God upon creatures and upon creation as a whole is common to the whole Trinity. This doctrine was defined by the Lateran Council. Then in 1441, the Council of Florence declared: "The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not principles of creation, but only one principle." Human language being an imperfect vehicle of thought, and human intelligence being an inadequate means of coping with the immensity of God, we resort often to what theologians call `appropriation', that is, we attribute -- by what is really a figure of speech -- certain divine actions to one Person or another -- because these actions seem 'appropriate` in view of the inner relationship of the Persons among themselves. But actually, all God's actions terminating in creatures proceed from the whole Trinity as one principle. Christ merited all saving grace, both sanctifying grace and actual graces, by His redemptive sacrifice on the Cross. The God-Man is our Savior. But from a trinitarian point of view, God is our Savior as one principle of salvation. By appropriation, the Father initiates our salvation by sending his Son into the world. The Son performs our salvation by His Incarnation and priestly Sacrifice, His Passion, Death, Resurrection, Ascension and ongoing intercession. The Holy Spirit lives in us to apply to us the merits of Christ by his intercession for us. Indeed, there was grace, sanctifying grace in the Old Testament -- just as there is grace working outside the Church today. But Jesus Christ won it all. Neither you nor I can fully understand all of this. We do what we can, and our infallible Church sets the limits of our discussion, freeing us to discuss and debate without danger of falling into error -- if we keep checking back with her. Sincerely in Christ, Father Mateo